Cardinal Burke dropped from key Vatican agency

Cardinal Burke dropped from key Vatican agency


              Cardinal Raymond Burke

Pope Francis’ plan to reform the Roman Curia is primarily a two-pronged approach: changing the bureaucratic structures and changing the members of Vatican agencies.

Today we saw yet another sign that the new pope wants people in synch with his more pastoral vision of the church, and in particular with his views on what makes a good bishop.

U.S. Cardinal Raymond Burke has been dropped from the Congregation for Bishops, an office that wields tremendous influence in shaping the world’s hierarchy. Burke has been a kind of folk hero to conservative Catholics, in particular for his statements criticizing Catholic politicians who support legal abortion. Moreover, he has said that bishops who refuse to withhold Communion from such politicians are weakening the faith.

It was significant that the new American named today to the Congregation for Bishops, Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington, has publicly defended his decision not to deny Communion in such situations.

The change means that Cardinal Burke will no longer be among the approximately 30 members of the congregation who oversee the vetting process for bishops’ nominations.

Just last week, Cardinal Burke appeared to take issue with Pope Francis’ low-key approach on some topics. The pope said earlier this year that the church cannot keep hammering only a few issues, including abortion and gay marriage. Asked about this by the Catholic network EWTN, Burke expressed some perplexity at the pope’s comments and said the church “can never talk enough” about abortion and marriage; he said abortion today is “literally a massacre of the unborn.”

It will be interesting to see if Cardinal Burke hangs onto his job as head of the Apostolic Signature, the Vatican’s highest tribunal. The cardinal frequently gives interviews, and his Vatican position has given his statements much more resonance in the media.

Pope Francis retired others out of the Congregation for Bishops, too, mainly for reasons of age. Dropping Cardinal Burke from the congregation was more unusual because he is a relatively young 65.

42 comments (Add your own)

1. Deacon Ed Peitler wrote:
This will not sit well with faithful Catholics.

Tue, December 17, 2013 @ 1:55 AM

2. Kelly wrote:
As a Chicagoan, I am grateful for this development because we are due for a new AB here; I just hope that Francis doesn't ship Burke back to the U.S.

Tue, December 17, 2013 @ 8:49 AM

3. Larry Norgaard wrote:
Pope Francis is right on. Thankyou! We need to connect with all of God's people and find better ways to reach all.

Tue, December 17, 2013 @ 10:39 AM

4. Poetcomic1 wrote:
As Father Z says. "Brick by brick..." And now they are taking it apart again brick by brick.

Tue, December 17, 2013 @ 11:30 AM

5. James wrote:
The fact that he was replaced by Cardinal Wuerl does not make it seem like it is any kind of disciplinary measure, since Cardinal Wuerl is in agreement about the need to defend the unborn, particularly from Catholic politicians who do not. Cardinal Burke only speaks the truth, in words as clear and strong as Cardinal Bergoglio did in Argentina. Though their styles may differ, they seem very much on the same page.

Tue, December 17, 2013 @ 2:41 PM

6. susan wrote:
I pray for this pope, but I am extremely disappointed

Tue, December 17, 2013 @ 2:47 PM

7. Sue wrote:
I am a faithful Catholic and strongly beleive in a more merciful church. This is a very good decision we need a bit of fresh air in the Catholic Church. god Bless Pope Francis!

Tue, December 17, 2013 @ 2:51 PM

8. JD wrote:
Not good. Unless... Cardinal Burke replaces a lukewarm bishop here in the US of A. We don't know Pope Francis' plan or purpose in this move. (We can guess and speculate, but that is all, truth be told.)

Tue, December 17, 2013 @ 2:56 PM

9. Henry wrote:
Hopefully this will allow the Church to get rid of the grim face it has been wearing for too long and become more welcoming.

Tue, December 17, 2013 @ 3:13 PM

10. ErnstThalmann wrote:
A public humiliation for having voiced criticism and a step backward into the doctrineless Church of Frank The Hippie Pope. Watch carefully as the Church slowly becomes indistinguishable from the culture.

Tue, December 17, 2013 @ 3:38 PM

11. Mark wrote:
This Pope is sending a message to live by both to the ministerial and common priesthood. Stay away from the extremes and seek the VIRTUOUS MIDDLE.

Tue, December 17, 2013 @ 3:51 PM

12. Rob hicks wrote:
On one hand, I'm a bit disappointed, but I'm not trying to herd 1.2 billion "Cat"holics in one direction. Not to worry though, Catholics do not need disciplinarians at the Vatican.....they need them in the dioceses. I rather imagine that Cardinal Burke will be very effective in that role at his next assignment.

Tue, December 17, 2013 @ 4:32 PM

13. John wrote:
To be "welcoming" is vague and has to be qualified. Are we welcoming into the Church to discover the faith handed down or to invent their own? Particularly with regard to the Holy Eucharist, the source and summit of our faith, how can we allow confusion to be sown? St. Paul "welcomed" many people into the faith, but he was a tough as nails on sacrilege and heresy (1 Cor 11 among others). To welcome people to an encounter with Christ does not mean the faith must be subverted. It is not either/or.

Tue, December 17, 2013 @ 5:34 PM

14. Bruno wrote:
I personally would love to see Cardinal Burke come back to St. Louis if he had to leave the Vatican. At the very least one always knew what this great bishop was saying. There was no second guessing and no fuzziness about his teaching unlike in the church at large. I think I know where pope Francis is going with his style. I just isn't my style nor Cdl. Burke's. I pray that each of these great princes of the Church will be faithful to their mission.

Tue, December 17, 2013 @ 7:37 PM

15. Adeodatus wrote:
Grim face? Come now, Catholics need a sense of purpose and identity. This comes from the liturgy, first and foremost. Cardinal Burke understood and defended it. Merely saying "Welcome! Welcome! I'm so pastoral! My priests and bishops like to smile, but their sermons are as empty and tepid as any advice column!" will not bring in new people, nor will it make very good Catholics. Time magazine and NPR might hail this as good news, knowing full well it's renders the church harmless and irrelevant. This was a bad move by the pope, and he is misunderstanding the true source of Catholic fallout: it's not grim faces; it's stupid Catholics who don't know and don't care to know their own faith.

You want a happy face? It's called Santa Claus. Go buy some products at the store, and feel that artificial warmth that comes from superficial piety.

Tue, December 17, 2013 @ 8:59 PM

16. Tim Spalding wrote:
Re: "This will not sit well with faithful Catholics." I love how "faithful" has been coopted by the extreme right wing of the church. Not one US Catholic in 20 supports the sorts of things Burke stands for, let alone his penchant for the Old Form of the mass, done in maximum sartorial frippery.

Wed, December 18, 2013 @ 2:34 AM

17. robert wrote:
Father against son, Mother against daughter, distress in families. umm ! I wonder who said that ? Was He speaking against the old system to rebuild the new. The church is going into birth pangs. Something new and wonderful is being born. "be not afraid"

Wed, December 18, 2013 @ 3:03 AM

18. Janet wrote:
Cardinal Burke was courageous enough to speak the truth and we all know what happens to you when you do that. Canon 915 of the Catholic Church states that public sinners are not to receive Holy Communion. Pope Francis is departing from the path of Blessed John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI and that is a very sad departure. We should pray for him.

Wed, December 18, 2013 @ 4:44 AM

19. Luigi wrote:
Pope Francis has done more in his short time as Pope to shine positive light on the R.C. Church.

Increasing good media is just good business. Any church is a business. If you don't have a flock, you can't go out and evangelize.

Francis is doing his best to put the Church in a good light and live humbly as Jesus did. Jesus did not get caught up in doctrine and volumes upon volumes of laws. He kept it simple, like Francis is trying to do.

Susan, you should not be disappointed in this Pope; he was appointed by the Holy Spirit. Perhaps you should pray for yourself, to open your mind and your hear to Pope Francis' message.

I will pray for you, Susan.

Wed, December 18, 2013 @ 6:05 AM

20. Fr Bernard wrote:
A Bishop who loses an entire parish due to rigidity and lack of pastoral skills shouldn't be appointing other ishops.
charity, compassion and Christ-like zeal for souls might have saved the parish Cdl Burke lost while Acbp of St Louis. As we await the celebration of Jesus birth we might reflect on why God sent His Son and why humility and compassion for the poor (especially in spirit) was central to His teaching. The Church doesn't need "the strong arm of the law", it needs the bruised Heart of Jesus to bring us into The Kingdom.

Wed, December 18, 2013 @ 10:45 AM

21. St Donatus wrote:
Luigi,
How much good press did Jesus get? If I remember correctly, most of what Jesus said was in fact doctrine. If you read your Bible, you will see that. He railed against the those in the religion that at that time represented God, the Jews. He condemned them for doctrine that was leading many to destruction, sometimes that doctrine didn't show enough mercy, that is where Pope Francis hits in on the head, sometimes that doctrine was used to claim that sin could be gotten around by other doctrine, that is where Janet has it right. The Church needs balance, not removal of God's requirements. For centuries the Church has used a mix of mercy and doctrine to convert millions. In the last fifty years, many have used mercy but no doctrine. One can not come to God without repentance. Jesus always required that for his followers. Read your Bible.

Wed, December 18, 2013 @ 11:06 AM

22. Bibbit wrote:
Luigi wrote: "Susan, you should not be disappointed in this Pope; he was appointed by the Holy Spirit. Perhaps you should pray for yourself, to open your mind and your hear to Pope Francis' message."

Without getting too deep into this, I will say I like Francis. But don't be completely blinded by your own statement. Jesus appointed Judas, and we know how that turned out. Any pope can go down the wrong path, and many have. We have been blessed to have had so many good popes in succession, don't assume it'll always be that way.

Wed, December 18, 2013 @ 11:41 AM

23. Jeff Brewster wrote:
"Not one US Catholic in 20 supports the sorts of things Burke stands for...."

And therein lies the problem, since "not one US Catholic in 20" knows his faith. More disturbingly, hardly one in 20 Catholic priests or Bishops seems to have the courage to preach the truth these days, leading many to abandon the faith or take a minimalist approach.

Most Catholics prefer the praise of men and the ways of the world more than the yoke of Christ. Christ routinely warned that those who succumbed to worldliness, such as the Pharisees, had Satan as their father.

I'll take Cardinal Burke in my diocese any day.

Wed, December 18, 2013 @ 11:54 AM

24. Dc. Thomas E. Brandlin wrote:
Frankly, I think His Holiness is doing the right thing. We have become the Church of No because, in large part, of ecclesiastics and laity who are fixated on one or two issues and refuse to look at the whole picture. Rather than take a pastoral view of situations, they are condemnatory. As His Holiness asks, who is he (or me, or anyone else) to judge. Hats-off to Cardinal Wuerl for refusing to deny the Eucharist to politicians who must look at the whole picture to represent their constituencies to the best of their ability. Catholic means the Church is all of us and that only God can judge a person's failings. I have no right to condemn someone because they had involvement with an abortion; support the redefinition of marriage, etc. I am free to disagree with them - respectfully, charitably, and relying on the promise of Christ to give me the words He wants people to hear.

Wed, December 18, 2013 @ 12:36 PM

25. Michelle wrote:
People, learn how to read news stories. The author's comments on what Cardinal Burke has done and what Cardinal Weurl have done do not necessarily have to do with the reasons Pope Francis made this change. You shouldn't just assume an author's comments and assume they convey the Pope's actual motivations. The truth is none of us knows why he made this change. All anybody can do is guess.

Wed, December 18, 2013 @ 1:05 PM

26. Father Frank wrote:
In one of the comments, someone said that we do not know the Pope's motives for this change, and that is correct. If he removed Cardinal Burke from the Congregation for Bishops because he did not find him to be pastoral, then the Holy Father does not know Cardinal Burke. Anyone who knows the Cardinal -- and I do from his time in St. Louis -- knows that he is one of the most pastoral, most approachable, most personable, and above all these attributes, most Christ-like bishops in the Church. So, for those who say that removing him from the Congregation for Bishops is a good thing because it somehow puts a less grim face on that Congregation, you speak out of ignorance. Cardinal Burke is a joyful man, who is passionate about defending the defenseless unborn and has done what every bishop in the world should do about it, and yet he is vilified by ignorant Catholics for doing what he is mandated to do BY JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF!
To those of you who are striking at the dignity of Peter's Office by calling Pope Francis, "The Hippie Pope," and "Pope Frank," you need to seek out a priest and confess your sin. You don't have to agree with the Pope's decision -- I myself do not agree with it -- because he is not infallible in it, and he can make a mistake, which I believe he has done. However, to criticize his decision in a disrespectful way, which in fact criticizes the Office of Peter, is wrong. I'm sure the Cardinal Burke would also disagree with those who call the Pope various names because they disagree with him. Disagree with his decision if you'd like, but do not fall into the devil's hands and degrade the Office of the Vicar of Christ.

Wed, December 18, 2013 @ 11:52 PM

27. Tim Spalding wrote:
"And therein lies the problem, since 'not one US Catholic in 20' knows his faith. More disturbingly, hardly one in 20 Catholic priests or Bishops seems to have the courage to preach the truth these days, leading many to abandon the faith or take a minimalist approach."

I suggest that you mull whether this all really boils down to matters of "knowledge" and "courage." That is, consider whether your opponents might disagree with you in well-informed good faith, rather than being stupid and weak. We, meanwhile, will attempt to see honest attempts at following Christ in Burke's fussy liturgical dramaturgy and culture-war punditry.

Wed, December 18, 2013 @ 11:52 PM

28. Ellen Nisi wrote:
This is a good development. Pope Francis wants to emphasize not harshness but mercy, not ideologues but those pastoral sense, in the persons leading the Church. We ought not run off those who wish to be within the communion of the Church but who don't or can't lead perfect lives.

Thu, December 19, 2013 @ 8:51 AM

29. Nancy Ann wrote:
There was never so much public division among Roman Catholics that I can recall until Pope Francis was appointed. Just read the comments on this page. His Eminence's words are confusing, every time he speaks. Even Cardinal Burke has said he was perplexed by some of his words.

I believe Cardinal Burke is an honest, very knowledgeable man of God, and I am thankful he doesn't hesitate to speak in strong support of the sanctity of life, marriage and the Holy Eucharist. I am astounded and horrified at the number of people who consider abortion to be a natural "right", and for some, it is a trivial matter!

I spoke with a parish priest about my concern of Pope Francis in the last 48 hours. He agreed that Pope Francis does appear to be more liberal than his conservative predecessor. However, he warned we are not to judge him. We do not know his heart, and we should pray for him. I am praying for Pope Francis. I also pray that I may have patience and understanding.

Fri, December 20, 2013 @ 4:07 AM

30. Michael a. soinski wrote:
Bishop Burke showed little collegiality in dealing with the faithful Catholics of St. Stanislaus Parish in St. Louis. Like our Irish-American Bishop in Cleveland, he practiced "ethnic cleansing" in an arrogant power play. That he will not have input in selecting further Bishops is a relief.

Sat, December 21, 2013 @ 11:52 AM

31. George Garbell wrote:
The Pope moves to make the Church more "accommodating." It appears he is headed toward keeping the teachings of the Church in place but installing leaders who will find ways around core teachings through redefinitions, situational analysis and relativism. Soon we can say "We are all Jesuits now" to the detriment of the Faith.

Sun, December 22, 2013 @ 8:55 AM

32. Andrew wrote:
I might be missing something, but I don't quite see "courage" in a Catholic cardinal's condemnation of liberal politicians. I see other things in it ... things decidedly less heroic in character, though. The Bible, the Gospels, the dictates of Jesus Christ ... all are like a knife, a tool used in any way one wants ... to cut the ties of bondage, or to bury in a neighbor's back.

If Cardinal Burke's clamorous insistence on denying the Eucharist to politicians supporting legal abortions was "mandated by Jesus Christ Himself," it seems a mandate offering a rather selective choice of sinners. Where is the hue and cry to exclude adulterers from Communion ... or thieves, tax cheats, gluttons, the greedy, the proud and the lustful and all the rest? Among the Lord's other mandates is the clear, unequivocal and repeated imperative to refrain from passing judgment ... a task belonging to God, "sayeth the Lord." And yet, there's no "weakening of the faith" when those who would be God are not denied the sacraments? Of course, if Communion was withheld from all of us who fail to refrain from the harsh judgment of others, very few of us would be receiving the body of Christ ... including Cardinal Burke, I'm afraid.

I don't expect the entirety of Catholic doctrine to conform to my beliefs. Nor do I need it to, before I can have faith in the value, relevancy and moral authority of the Church. It is all of the Church's issues Pope Francis speaks of, not its doctrine, that has driven me further and further away the older I got. It was all those small-minded rules … the debates over the direction a priest faces during Mass, or the language he speaks; it was the increasing emphasis on the exclusion and condemnation of sinners, and the disappearing attention to their salvation; it was the immediate and automatic impulse of Church leadership to protect the image of the Church in absolute and appalling contradiction of its far greater, moral responsibility to protect its weakest and most vulnerable members; and on, and on, and on.

With so much to do to regain some of its lost moral authority and relevancy, does the Church really need to come up with new ways and more reasons to punish people? Is living outside the Grace of God inadequate? Isn't Hell enough?

Sun, December 22, 2013 @ 6:34 PM

33. patrick wrote:
The new 'humble' pope has all the moral backbone of a chocolate eclair.

Sun, December 22, 2013 @ 9:36 PM

34. Theresa H wrote:
Thank you Fr. Frank, for your observations....We know Cardinal Burke is a faithful Bishop, faithful to Christ and His Teaching, and faithful to the Vicar of Christ in his decision. May God bless the Cardinal! I guess we really know not, yet, whether he will remain in the Apostolic Signatura....I'm also thinking he would not be sent back to his former Archdiocese, especially if there is already a new Bishop there(?) There's something very sad about all this; but God can draw good out of it for the Cardinal. Let us pray for him and for Pope Francis.

As for Church Teaching and the words/actions of Bishops related to Catholics in public office, my understanding regarding those who very publically speak falsely regarding grave matters related to faith and/or morals (e.g.: abortion, contra- ception and homosexual "marriage"--all clearly being among the most heinous evils of our times), there are occasions when the local Cardinal/Bishop has an obligation to Christ and His Flock to publically denounce the position of a Catholic in public office. As Head of the Congregation for Bishops, I would expect the Cardinal would likewise express Church Teaching in his communications with Cardinals and Bishops. (See the Catechism of the Catholic Church re. the Teaching related to abortion, etc.: 2270 to 2275....Make no mistake, this is very grave matter--and, even more so, when the matter is in the public forum! For sure, our secular, hedonistic culture doesn't agree and doesn't want to hear this! But the salvation of deceived souls is at stake here! And may God have mercy on all of us!

Mon, December 23, 2013 @ 8:26 AM

35. Paul wrote:
While Pope Francis wants a more pastoral approach to the gospel, I hope we don't underemphasize the importance of liturgy. Living in the west coast in one the least churched states, our liturgy has become so sanitized that many of those calling themselves Catholic, have become so secularized in their thinking, that the liturgy has been relegated to a no consequences mentality . A majority of Catholics now believe same-sex marriage is acceptable, and that abortion is a women's choice. Pope Francis may not want to emphasize this, as he stated in his La Stampa interview, but we must preach the gospel of truth. As I always ask myself, would Jesus defend these beliefs? Jesus was counterculture in his days and in Jesus' birth Mary said Yes to life and I believe she would say keep open to life and preach it in the liturgy regardless of the consequences.

Mon, December 23, 2013 @ 3:03 PM

36. Buddy wrote:
Theresa. I think you should pull the Web Site for St Stanislous Church in St Louis Missouri. I'm not sure if you were one of those Parishioners (ALL) that were Excommunicated and Supressed by Cardinal Burke after he tried selling the Church from under you that you owned. Im sure you would have a different opinion.
Thats exactly what he did in St Louis the management and ownership of the church was as it was set up by Bishop Kenndrick since the 1800 and remained that way until Cardinal Burke showed up in St. Louis. If you were one of the Parmishioners today you are Excommunicated and did nothing but to protect your church from a sale by Cardinal Burke. A civil Judge says he is and was wrong he could of went to Jail
if he was sucessful "using the Power of ones office and Official Position to take
from another" is illegal. It also is against the 10 Commandments.
I hope the pope removes and returns the church back as a place to worship

Fri, December 27, 2013 @ 12:14 PM

37. Cathy Flowers wrote:
Regarding the refusal of Holy Communion to those politicians, etc., who promote abortion, same-sex marriage, etc.; people need to realize that this is not punishment, but is preventing them from committing a sacrilege. It is a serious mistake to receive Communion with a mortal sin on one's soul.

Tue, December 31, 2013 @ 12:25 AM

38. Jack McGrath wrote:
Cardinal Burke is a defender of the faith. He has not afraid to speak the truth and do his job responsibly. Cardinal Burke, My wife and I support you. May God protect you.

Wed, January 1, 2014 @ 2:42 PM

39. Terrian Williams wrote:
Cardinal Burke was on at least 11 different committee in the Vatican, besides being the main Canon Lawyer expert---the Pope dropped him from that one committee that nominates new Bishops--Pope Francis knows what he is doing---he's coming from a different angle--Jesus did not elaborate on people's personal sins--Christ spoke of the Kingdom of Heaven more than anything---he ate and drank with the sinners--he said prostitutes and tax collectors would enter into the Kingdom of Heaven before the religious Sadducees and Pharisees would--because the sinners knew they were sinners and they were humble enough to admit it--Christ came for the lost and the sick--but he DID NOT HAVE TO call people out personally on their sins--and focus on that all the time. The Pope is coming from this angle.

Thu, January 2, 2014 @ 1:09 AM

40. Margaret in Michigan wrote:
This discussion once again demonstrates the divide in the church between the ‘secular leaning’ Catholics and the ‘Church – Christ’s teachings’ Catholics. Something for the ‘secular leaning’ Catholics to keep in mind; in many ways we are living in a post-Christian era.
Are the Jesuits as a whole mostly in the ‘secular leaning’ camp? I was just reading an article today from the Cardinal Newman Society that ‘no Jesuit institution is joining other Catholic colleges in their efforts to stop the HHS mandate from being enforced. (article detailed some specifics at St. Joseph University in Philadelphia )

I am confident that Pope Francis would agree with standing up for life , exercising freedom of conscience, and freedom of religion and surely would encourage his fellow Jesuits to do the same.

Sun, January 5, 2014 @ 3:41 PM

41. Steve Hancock wrote:
As I read through the many comments on this matter, I see ubiquitous misunderstanding about what the Catholic Church is. I will not presume to second-guess the Holy Father's decision not to reconfirm Cardinal Burke to the Congregation for Bishops. But I know Cardinal Burke, and I am disappointed.

The language of inclusion, pastoral, mercy and compassion are either misunderstood, or carelessly, if not intentionally, misapplied on the foregoing comments. Cardinal Burke's application of canon 915 denying Holy Communion to those who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin (e.g. Catholic politicians who promote abortion) is undeniably correct. One of the foregoing comments suggested such denial of Holy Communion is arbitrary and proceded to list a host of other sins that Cardinal Burke has seemingly not spoken out against, at least not in connection with the denial of the Eucharist. However, that argument fails to distinguish "manifest grave sin " from occult sins, which are not widely known to the public. Canon 916 deals with the individual's obligation not to present himself or herself for Holy Communion if he or she is aware of having committed a grave sin.

You see, like the Holy Father, we can't judge the heart of another and we certainly cannot judge in the sense of condemning this or that "sinner " since that is the prerogative of God alone. But we do know what grave sin is. And when someone obstinately persists in manifest grave sin, they are letting everyone know about it. Denial of Holy Communion then is not only for the protection of the Blessed Sacrament, but for the protection of the sinner who would otherwise "eat and drink condemnation upon himself" without properly discerning the body and blood of Christ in the Holy Eucharist (see I Corinthians).

Supposing that being inclusive and welcoming means admitting everyone and anyone to Holy Communion despite the condition of their soul is not pastoral or compassionate at all. In fact it is catastrophically damaging to the very persons you want to be included.

Think of this: if you believe Cardinal Burke is wrong to assert that those who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin are to be denied Holy Communion until they are reconciled to the Church under canon 915, then really, no one should be denied Holy Communion for any reason. And if that is the case, then what does that make the Holy Eucharist? Nothing more than an unleavened wafer and watered down wine. What does that make the words of St. Paul in I Corinthians? An error? St. Paul had it wrong? Don't discern the Body and Blood? Receive Holy Communion no matter what because the real virtue is inclusiveness rather than truth ?

The truth is, no Catholic should approach the altar to receive Holy Communion in a state of mortal sin although I suspect very many do. Is this a problem of the Church not getting with the times? I don't think so.

I will not criticize the Holy Father in his decision to remove Cardinal Burke from the Congregation for Bishops, but I can not stand by and allow anyone unchallenged to suggest that humble and holy men like Cardinal Burke are the problem in the Church today. Quite the contrary.

Sun, January 5, 2014 @ 11:32 PM

42. Jim Rickert wrote:
Mark wrote about the 'virtuous middle'? Seems to me it says somewhere 'but since you are neither hot nor cold, but only lukewarm, I will spit you out of my mouth'. Hmm, where did I see that?

Tue, January 7, 2014 @ 8:07 AM

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